Friday, June 6, 2014

Mike Mayo and Biblical Sexuality - A Brief Summary

I think any time we have a shift in our beliefs, good or bad, it happens over time... it certainly doesn't occur after 3 days and watching a few videos.  I've always been a student of Christianity, learning, observing, considering my personal convictions.  From my childhood as the son of a pentecostal pastor and missionary to Ireland to today, I've always been a part of the Christian body and I always will be. 

I started to look into the issues surrounding homosexuality because I didn't feel I had a good grasp on how we minister to them.  I started looking at some blogs and there are many different Christian camps when it comes to homosexuality, none of which take the issue lightly or approach it as a decision made out of convenience.  What was really getting to me, wasn't the blogs themselves, but the comments section at the bottom.  I started to read some testimonies from some gay Christians, they touched my heart to the core.  I related to them in so many ways, their great appreciation for the hope they have in Christ, their desire to love others around them, even as they are being persecuted.  Included in these testimonies were stories of married gay Christians and the way they spoke about their love for their spouse was the exact same way I feel about my wife.  This was the catalyst for me. 

When I started to get a window into the life of the LGBT community, it started to become less and less about sex and more and more about love.  Remember, this isn't an isolated emotional experience for me, as I mentioned, many of the blogs and articles I had read spent a great deal of time interpreting the scripture and studying to reveal that it is in fact possible to hold the Bible as authoritative and still affirm homosexuality.  While there are obviously a great deal of Christians who reject this theology, but we have quite a few different theologies in the Christian church and I do believe we are called to “be convinced in our own minds”.  The group of people that would attack the faith of these Christian folks who support homosexuality tend to argue that this is a belief that bases truth on feelings and not on hard scripture.  But that is not true at all in my experience.  

One of the particular sections of scripture that I base my beliefs on is 1 Corinthians 7.  I find it a very insightful look into human sexuality.  Paul’s understanding of sexuality kind of blows my mind!  Look at how very clearly states that each person has a unique sexual drive.  Some are very weak and he recommends it better to perhaps remain single.  Some are very strong and Paul understands this desire becomes a burning, something consuming, something not conducive to living a balanced life.  He says, “it’s better to marry than to burn with passion”.  Paul humbly concedes, “If they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry.”  I’ll admit, I’m too weak to live a life of celibacy, it’s not my calling.  But is Paul saying marriage is solely an institution for the allowance of sexual relations?  I don’t believe so.  Our passions for our spouse are not solely sexual in nature.  We love their company, the way they treat other people, how they make us feel about ourselves, how they challenge us to be better versions of ourselves, how they might love and care for our children… there are so many qualities that draw us to have great passion for our spouses, I believe this is by God’s design.  On the flip side, as much as we love our spouses, they are imperfect.  They have bad days, they get angry, they say mean things, they are selfish just as we are. 

And the second aspect of God’s design for marriage in my understanding is sacrificial love.  We don’t only love our spouse for what they do for us; we love them to give us insight into how God loves us in our imperfect condition.  What great patience he has for us, as we struggle at times to love our spouse, we’re inspired by the great love of God to love even more than we ever thought possible.  The key here that I believe helped me to open my heart to the LGBT community is Paul’s assessment that we’re all different.  Created with different capabilities and needs when it comes to an intimate relationship.  I believe this is a core truth in understanding our brothers and sisters in Christ.  Paul clearly has a preference, for people to be like him… but he has this amazing love and compassion by not degrading those unable to live a celibate life, but to say, “Hey man, we all have different passions and if you need to be in a relationship to be a whole person, then go for it, it’s totally alright”.  He helps couples to understand that within a relationship, there may be sexual imbalance.  He makes it a point to instruct the couples to prioritize the sexual needs of their spouse.  Paul clearly understands the great need to have healthy ways for us to express our own unique sexuality.

This is a facebook comment, so you know I don’t have as much time as I’d like to spend analyzing every single verse in 1 Corinthians 7.  But it’s a treasure trove into human sexuality that I absolutely 100% do NOT feel excludes gay people.  As I apply this insight to all people, not just heterosexual, I understand that it’s important for us as following the biblical instructions to not put every gay person in the same box.  Having spent a great deal of time communicating with the Gay Christian community, you feel find Paul’s wisdom 100% accurate in what the gay Christian community looks like.  Some are very sexual, and some not so much.  Some of them have an extremely strong desire to marry, to commit, to love this one person for their whole life.  Some don’t desire that, and aren't comfortable with expressing their sexuality.  The worst thing we can do is ignore Paul’s message that each person has a unique sexual drive and lived out, this will look very different depending on the person.  Another critical point I would like to point out is Paul’s statement of sexuality doesn't give any “fixes”.  If you have a strong passion, he doesn't say, get some therapy.  He says, find a healthy outlet, an exclusive relationship/marriage, to express your passion.  Because of this Biblical understanding of sexuality, I don’t believe we can “fix” gay people or that God desires to.  Paul doesn't say in 1 Corinthians 7 to “pray that you might not be so obsessed with sex”.

Nowhere else, in the Bible have I seen such explanation of human sexuality as in 1 Corinthians 7, and the places homosexuality is specifically mentioned, I believe after great study and research, can be interpreted as something different than our definition today.  While I’m frequently accused of twisting these scriptures to fit my own opinion, that truly is not the case.  I never in my life chose to burn with passion.  I never in my life came to a point when I chose to be way too attracted to certain features of my wife… (insert inappropriate Wayne’s World reference)… A homosexual doesn't love the same sex because they desire to rebel against God, they never made a choice as I never made a choice.  I can expound for 10-20 thousand more words, very easily on why I affirm homosexuals scripturally, and over the course of the last few months, I probably have… lol… but the bottom line for me is 1 Corinthians 7 and my belief that intimate love in a marriage is one of the greatest gifts from God, I treasure it as much as I treasure my own children.  I do not believe there to be proper justification to block this gift from any human who has a great passion for it.  I chose to love and appreciate every person, no matter their sexual passions.  As a result of this, I’m often accused of being susceptible to having no standards at all because I don’t support homosexuality as a sin, that is the furthest thing from the truth.  There are insanely huge amounts of ways we not only damage ourselves, but others through sexuality.  Look at the church, how many children have been molested?  I do not support that at all, even though I support gay marriage.  Look at how many married women have had sexual relations with pastors?  I do not support this “passion” either.  Because the biggest misunderstanding is that because Paul said “passion” I’m talking about lust.  The truth of my belief is that the issue is about the fullness of intimate love, a fullness that cannot exist between a pedophile and a child nor a man and a goat.


God Bless.

14 comments:

  1. Well said Mike. I do not pretend to have an understanding of the Bible as you do. But from what you've said and quoted here, I believe I'd interpret it in much the same way you would. -- Rich Huryn

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  2. That is well written. I completely agree with you on how we are to love the person, gay, straight, whatever. but the difference is, if a person who was molested (your example from the blog) lives a life of molesting others because its how he knows how to love, that is still sin. there are deeply rooted issues that should be dealt with that will impact any relationship they are a part of until they are dealt with. The passion to engage in the desire is the seed, that if tended to, turns in to deeply rooted sin. the first two verses of 1 Cor. 7 plainly states marriage to be between one man, and one woman. Im not sure how that can be taken otherwise. Again, I totally agree, persecuting a person because their gay is just as much sin as any other sin, but lets not give the desires of our hearts the authority to depict right and wrong. The heart is DECEITFUL ( jer. 17:9). That which i want to do, i dont do. but that which i dont want to do, i do (romans 7:15) We have an internal battle to daily fight, 100% agree right? If i fell in love with a woman that is not my wife, is that sin? i believe yes. If i act on that love and have sex with that other person, is that sin? yes. why is it ok that just because i love that person, I get to ignore what the bible says and deem it righteous on account of "love"?

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    1. Someone molesting a person isn't love. Love is consensual. Christ didn't force his love on us, he offers it. Are you saying homosexuals are gay because they've been molested? If so, we can discuss the lack of truth in that assumption. We can actually go straight to the Christian organizations who are gay affirming and get numbers directly from their community.

      I don't believe that because 1 Corinthians talks about a man and a woman, it doesn't automatically discredit gay marriage. Nowhere in that section does it say "Only a man" or "Only a woman". So I don't believe 1 Corinthians 7 to forbid same sex marriage.

      Kylo, for you, obviously gay sex would be wrong for you, because you clearly interpret the Bible as speaking that message clearly. And I agree, let's also not cheat on our wives. But love isn't lust, love is a relationship, love is honesty, it doesn't happen on accident. Let me say this as clearly as possible: Your ability to refuse sex from women other than your wife is not equal to telling the entire LGBT community they cannot have sincere intimate love at all.

      The bottom line is, I'm not saying sin is ok, I'm saying the Bible is explicitly clear that sexuality is not a choice, 2 gay married women raising an adopted or inseminated child while attending an episcopal church and loving others faithfully their whole entire life is not an abomination according to my interpretation of scripture. I do believe the scriptures themselves give us liberty to live out our lives giving honor to God while it looking different from one Christian to another. There are tons of LGBT folks who have given their hearts to Christ and follow him, living out their lives in service, and in my opinion, their sincere faith is as real and powerful as my own, if not more so... haha.

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    2. it is clear that the root of our disagreement is the inerrancy of the Word of God. I know there are plenty of verses that say we shouldn't cut our hair or have tattoos, etc., and we can blame cultural differences for how it doesn't apply, but there are target sin issues per culture and community that we ought to take a stand stormily on what the Bible says. the legendary fall of Sodom and Gomorrah can plainly be attributed to the sexual immorality. Pauls it given in to "unnatural desires." even the science of it proves the natural ins and outs (sorry for the perfect pun) of heterosexual sex. physically and spiritually it just goes against the natural human form. "If God doesn't punish America, He owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology" Billy Graham.
      Question: if homosexuality is ok, and is indeed a natural and profitable way of life, why did our perfect creator create man and woman, and charge us to be fruitful and multiply in Genesis 1?

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    3. I'm a bit confused, I haven't said anything is errant. But clearly, you believe homosexuality to be a sin and I don't. Sodom and Gomorrah has to do with sexual immorality, a person who is gay doesn't make the choice in who they love, and from what I can tell, it's the rape that seemed to be one of their worst qualities, a crime committed far more frequently by the heterosexual community than the homosexual community. I believe a gay person's desires are natural for them, it's not a choice they make, they love the same sex and I don't see it it harming society at all.

      To answer your question, why would God allow a person to be sterile or barren? Did Paul fail this command as well? Is Paul's life any less disobedient to the charge be fruitful and multiply? Are people who adopt children vs birthing them also failing God's command? Kind of doesn't seem to be an issue for a married couple to choose artificial insemination or have a surrogate does it? Homosexual couples have those same options. So many orphans in the world, Jesus talks quite a bit about orphans doesn't he? I bet an orphan would rather have a mom and a mom than have no family at all.

      I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but this hard line against gay people, that somehow they're more of a sinner than anyone else and therefore, disallow them fundamental human rights, it's going the way of the dinosaur. I truly believe, God can be honored by a gay couple living a life loving God and loving people, just like the rest of us.

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    \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 Christianity must not be about getting people to agree with our opinion. It must be about being a disciple of Christ and letting people see the love of Christ in us and through us. The love of Christ is expressed or demonstrated ( Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.) when he carried our sin upon His shoulders in the cross. It is not love to make us or anyone carry their own sin. When we as believers and followers of Christ start giving our own opinions about what is sin and not resting (and I truly mean resting in the sense of not striving and finding rest) on what God has stated to be sin, we are robbing our fellow man of the freedom they can have in Christ.\
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    I will refrain from posted scriptures that call homosexual activity sin mainly because I don't want to see a response of biblical yoga to stretch and try to fit a belief that is not ordained by God.\
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    The Lord loves every homosexual out there just as much as He loves me. The Lord also lives that homosexual too much to let he or she remain in the place of sin just like He loves me too much to allow me to remain in a place of being unchanged by His grace and mercy.\
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    My heart goes out to anyone who is in bondage to any sin, and I would pray that God, through the power of His Spirit, would set right those things that the enemy and fallen man has distorted.}

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    1. I don't see God in the business of curing homosexuality... quite the opposite, I see the fruit of the spirit in the gay Christian community like all day, every day. I wonder why I don't see the great weight of caring their own God in the gay affirming Christian community? I wonder why it's so full of life and love and growth and good fashion(a joke)? Your limited understanding of the scripture as it relates to homosexuality is just not correct according to my own limited understanding. You claim to love them and hope to see them freed from their bondage to sin, yet you offer no fruit of evidence to set that precedent. To the contrary, I offer this evidence: http://www.gaychurch.org/affirming-church-survey/2013-survey/ The problem is you've let your own understanding blind you from seeing the fruit of the spirit. I sincerely pray this blindness will be removed.

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  4. “Moreover you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the LORD : “Will they fall and not rise? Will one turn away and not return? Why has this people slidden back, Jerusalem, in a perpetual backsliding? They hold fast to deceit, They refuse to return. I listened and heard, But they do not speak aright. No man repented of his wickedness, Saying, ‘What have I done?’ Everyone turned to his own course, As the horse rushes into the battle. “Even the stork in the heavens Knows her appointed times; And the turtledove, the swift, and the swallow Observe the time of their coming. But My people do not know the judgment of the LORD. “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood. The wise men are ashamed, They are dismayed and taken. Behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD; So what wisdom do they have? Therefore I will give their wives to others, And their fields to those who will inherit them; Because from the least even to the greatest Everyone is given to covetousness; From the prophet even to the priest Everyone deals falsely. For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of My people slightly, Saying, ‘Peace, peace!’ When there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed, Nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; In the time of their punishment They shall be cast down,” says the LORD. “I will surely consume them,” says the LORD. “No grapes shall be on the vine, Nor figs on the fig tree, And the leaf shall fade; And the things I have given them shall pass away from them.” ’ ” (Jeremiah 8:4-13 NKJV)

    I would comfort myself in sorrow; My heart is faint in me. (Jeremiah 8:18 NKJV)

    Oh, that my head were waters, And my eyes a fountain of tears, That I might weep day and night For the slain of the daughter of my people! (Jeremiah 9:1 NKJV)

    We would do well for our hearts to be broken like Jeremiah's heart was broken for the sin of God's people than to offer a false sense of peace that won't stop the torment in our fellow man's soul.

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    1. No amount of sin being removed from your life will provide the peace of resting on the work of Christ... a work that resolves repentant and unrepentant sin alike. It's only as we learn to love other people in action, not just by showing them their error in scripture, but a physical work as demonstrated by the Good Samaritan, that we grow more like Christ and gain a deeper level of peace. Legalism is a Christian disease that causes more harm than the entire homosexuality community as it prevents the world from seeing the love of Christ and substitutes it with a false arrogance of a righteousness that is but a filthy rag. Whenever the focus is greater on the "supposed" sin of the person than of the love of Christ we've missed the gospel message, the very core of our purpose. When I look at the scriptures that speak of homosexuality, I don't believe the Bible is telling us that a church full of gay people, worshipping God in truth according to the gospel, is an abomination... It wasn't repentance that healed the women discharging blood, it wasn't clean living that healed the man lowered down through the ceiling, it wasn't the inerrancy of scripture that saved the thief on the cross. It was Jesus, and gay sexuallity is not even CLOSE to being strong enough to prevent them from experiencing the love, joy peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentless, and self-control that is freely given by the Holy Spirit to those who love God. Yet instead of getting behind these ministries that are sharing the gospel boldy to the LGBT community, we've decided to play God and shut 'em down... Not this Christian... nope... I'll fight to let them have their freedom to love God just the way God made them, and they will be transformed by as I have been. I don't have to be afraid for their soul as it is clearly being taken care of by their heavenly father as he calls a great number of his children to love and care for his gay flock.

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  5. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. it's not about what I think. it's not about what you think. it's about what god Thinks and what his word says. 1 corinthians 6:9 do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED: neither the sexual immoral nor idolaters nor adultersers nor Male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God..... we all need to stop trying to justify the Word of God and really read what its saying. why do you think it's written the road to hell is wide that leads to death and the road is very narrow that leads to life....

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    1. I don't believe the information in the Bible gives you the ability to know what God thinks. His ways are not our ways and it's clear throughout the history of scripture we've struggled with understanding it. Why is it that Jesus' main debates were with the religious scholars who knew the scriptures better than anyone? I believe the key for me is that faith isn't just my trust in God, but it's also that God can speak to me through the Bible even though I don't have the capability to understand it perfectly. If you look at my post though, I'm clearly "really reading what it's saying", as I delve deeply into a chapter that provides amazing insight into human sexuality.

      Everytime Jesus Christ or the Bible puts an impossible demand upon the
      people around Him, He put those demands upon them in order to
      fulfill the law. How? By using the law to show them they were totally
      helpless; totally unrighteousness. In need of a Saviour.

      Doesn't 1 Corinthians 6:9 scare you as it pertains to your own family? Hopefully you can eventually see that it's not our adherence to a strict set of rules and regulations that get us into heaven, but by the work of God himself.

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  6. Romans 1:21-28 for although they knew God, they neither glorified himops god or gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchange the glory of the immortal God for images" made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. therefore God gave them over in their sinful desires of their hearts to sexual Impurity for the degreading of their bodies with one another. they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worship and serve created thing rather than the Creator who is forever pray amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even there woman exchange natural relations for unnatural ones. in the same way the Men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. men committed Indecents acts with other men, and received in themselves the duepenalty for their perversion. Furthermore since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. How much clearer can god get than that. God cannot be mocked. The word of God is very very clear. I'm praying for your eyes to be opend.

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    1. 1. "they neither glorified God nor gave thanks to Him" - over 7 thousand churches worldwide in 47 different countries have gay folks attending to glorify God. Romans 1:21-28 doesn't seem to fit with this reality.

      2. Do gays love idols of man, birds, animals, and reptiles? How can you think this verse is talking about the gay community in general, this is talking about a specific people group in history, not the gay community today.

      3. Are they seeking to worship and serve created things rather than the creator? no, as stated above, there is a huge number of gay folks serving God in their local churches. How can you possibly reconcile this?

      4. "Even there woman exchange natural relations for unnatural ones. in the same way the Men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." When I'm reading this verse in context, this seems to be stating that people stopped sexuality out of an expression of love to their mate and lost their minds to sex obsession. This doesn't seem to describe homosexuality at all, because homosexuals don't trade their heterosexuality for homosexuality, they simply operate out of the sexuality that have naturally. Homosexuals are fighting for their rights to get married, to commit to their mate for life... they aren't fighting the government so they can have orgies in the streets.

      Try to read the passage again, considering more of the detail, I don't believe your example is a condemnation of homosexuals at all.

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  7. Just as you said. Even the most high religious scholars didn't believe the word of god. Yes the knew what it said but didn't want to except it. You should watch gospel of John. Good movie.

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